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    DFX and Eclipse 6x10 DD coil

    Hello Everyone,

    I was able to get out with my DFX and a new eclipse 6x10 DD coil today
    the temperature got up to 60 degrees so I decided to give it a try.
    I searched an area that I had previously hunted, I was able to find
    a few things, an old pocket knife, a steel for that was about 8" long
    and 1/2" diameter, some nails and a wheat penny everything was
    6" to 8" deep. There were a lot of deep signals that I didn't dig, I
    was on a coin search only, when I dug up the penny the quarter icon
    was displayed, I double checked the hole after I found the penny with
    the DFX and my pinpointer, nothing else was in the hole.

    Do I need to sweep this coil slowly over the ground, more slowly than
    my 950 coil? I noticed that this coil would show a quarter icon when it
    was swung in one direction and when the coil was moved back across
    the same spot the quarter was not displayed? Is this normal operation?


    Darrell

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    The DD coil has a very narrow "Paint Brush" pattern. What you're seeing is normal ops. The smaller pattern provides great separation, but you lose a little in ID. EG: A concentric will ID a bottlecap better than a DD. However, note the depth you're getting out that 6" coil !! For some reason the DFX / 6X10"DD just seem to work extremely well together. Swing it a tad slower and see if you can notice any difference. Not tooooo slow or you'll track out whispers .... Practice. You'll find the sweet spot !!

    Good goin' on your first outing !! Just keep workin' with that setup. 10" quarters are "in range" with your rig !!
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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    That coil is my "go to" coil around here. I'll switch to the 6" in heavily iron-infested sites, but the extra depth of the 6 x 10 is a big plus.
    Jim

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    Glad to hear you got out to hunt.

    Fox gave you some super info to follow. Just practice and you will learn what speed works best. Good luck & happy hunting.
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    Hi FoX,

    I was using your coin program with my new 6" DD coil, is there any
    adjustments that I should make in the program for use around my
    area? I think that I will have to lower the AC Sensitivity a little bit
    and slow my swing to about 2 seconds covering 4 foot of ground??
    I have checked ground mineralization using my DFX and the readings
    ranged from 83 to 91, I guess that is considered mild?

    My big problem so far is when I get to do some hunting after a long
    period of not being able to hunt, I swing the coil to fast, takes me
    some time to slow down��

    I have to get use to this coil making different sounds when it detects
    metal in the same patch of ground, a coin tone swinging to the right
    a broken sound swinging back in the left same area?

    Darrell
    Last edited by KYrookie; 12-29-2018 at 11:46 AM. Reason: Addition

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    There's nothing you need to change except sensitivities. Those programs are "hot". When you get a solid, repeatable swing speed, set the recovery speed so that you get hits on two dissimilar targets (penny and nickel) one coil's width apart at that speed.

    Tip: Every coil looks electrically identical to the detector. Its up to you to optimize performance ...
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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    KY: How ya' doin' with that DFX / 6X10"DD setup ??
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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    Hi FoX,

    I haven't been able to get out with my DFX, 6x10 coil combo since my
    last posting, when it is warm enough to get outside it is raining. On
    Monday it was 61 degrees and it rained all day, the rain started at
    1AM and continued all day, Tuesday the temperature dropped into
    the 40's, almost cold enough for a good freeze. The ground is so wet
    I will need hip waders and a wetsuit. I may have to take a trip to
    Florida and visit my brother-in-law and to use my metal detector.

    I wonder what I might find in Destin?

    I am thinking about getting out this Friday, Saturday or Sunday,
    If it doesn't rain again.

    Maybe I can get out and setup some coins, quarter, dime, nickel and
    penny run some test and make some adjustments to sensitivity and
    recovery speed? Recovery is set to 32, AC is set to 75 and DC is 45
    right now, and set for Best Data, mixed mode off. There is so much
    metal in my yard that if it is set to mixed mode my detector goes nuts
    even when I lay it down to dig. Maybe the AC Sensitivity needs to be
    set to 70?

    Darrell

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    Just keep practicing. You will have your DFX mastered in no time.
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    It has started out rainy this year !! Nice beaches up there in the panhandle. White "sugar sand". You'll want the 950 concentric hung on the stick if you work the beach.

    Good luck !!
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    Well I was able to get out with my DFX 6x10 today for about 30 minutes.
    I decided to run in silent search, my main goal was to test the response
    on some coins. I put down a quarter, dime, nickel and penny each a
    little over a coil width a part, I ran my test, slowly at first checking
    the response from each coin then increased my swing speed to see
    how fast I could swing the coil and get a good signal. Then I did
    a little hunting, within a few minutes I pinpointed a penny and a
    dime or rather the DFX indicated it was either a penny of a dime.
    I got one of each, a wheat penny and a Roosevelt dime.
    I discovered how the DFX responds on rusty nails, pull tabs and
    a wire staple, I pinpointed and dug those up too.

    Now the question is, do I run in silent mode of turn down the
    Audio Threshold??

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    Running a light threshold will add an inch or so to your depth. Also, if you get a "dropout" in the threshold, its generally deep iron. Soooo, run a light threshold.
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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    I am using your coin program with a few tweaks to it, I think the
    Threshold is 15? I will double check my settings, maybe a lower
    setting will help?

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    That good you got out to hunt today for a little bit. Every little bit counts.

    Threshold... you want to have it set just enough to hear it. Threshold is a good thing to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYrookie View Post
    I am using your coin program with a few tweaks to it, I think the
    Threshold is 15? I will double check my settings, maybe a lower
    setting will help?
    Don't worry about the absolute number. Set the threshold to a light tone. You may, and probably do, hear better than I do.
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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    I took my DFX out today, the ground was saturated after a couple Of
    rainy days, threshold was on 15 and I picked up some deep targets,
    13" on the graph indicating a quarter so I started digging , all I found
    was old bottle caps, pull tabs and rusty nails all targets were off to
    one side, pinpointing placed my targets right under the swivel point
    but everything that I dug up was off center by about 4" ?
    I didn't find any coins today, maybe I can get back out tomorrow and
    give it another try?

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    Just keep digging and you are bound to find good stuff.
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    Suggest you practice pinpointing with a surface target so that you can "see and hear" at the same time. And keep in mind, you have to pinpoint E-W AND N-S with the DD coil, as its "hot" from nose to tail. Practice makes perfect !!

    As for the bottlecaps .... they fool everyone. As you gain experience you'll develop an "ear" for bottlecaps vs silver MOST times. You'll still dig a few...

    Keep at it !!
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    I did a little treasure hunting today, I found some items to keep,
    an old can opener that belonged to my mother-in-law, my wife
    has it soaking in soapy water. I added a nickel and two pennies
    to my collection and I removed a number of pull tabs, mountain
    dew twist off caps, a hand full of rusty nails and a few 9mm brass
    casings from my yard today. I practiced pinpointing as FoX suggested
    which helped a bit. While hunting today I laid my detector down while
    I was digging and when I picked my detector up to start hunting again
    there was a $ and dime icon on the screen, this happened a lot. Then
    later I bumped the coil on the ground and a $ and 50 icon were
    displayed, I started swinging the coil over that area and nothing was
    displayed? Is this normal or is there a problem with my new coil?
    I never had this happen with the stock 950 coil.

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    If you bump a coil hard enough, it will false. That is normal behavior. Take the coil and use a non-conductive yard stick or ruler and tap around the sides of the coil. If you get a false once in a while you as you tap then you have a bad coil. (Just remember... don't beat on it, just tap it.
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    Hi Rodney,
    I didn't bump the coil hard, I just sat the coil down while pushing a
    plug back flush with the ground. I try not to bump my detector at
    any time. I was surprised when the icons popped up on the screen
    and finding out that it was not caused by metal in the ground.
    I will check the coil operations with a yard stick and if tapping on
    the sides lightly causes icons to be displayed I will have to get it
    fixed or replaced.

    Darrell

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    If you're not bumping it hard than you may want to check to make sure the cable is not moving too much also. If it still doing it contact White's for sure.
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    The coil is new, I have the cable wrapped around the stick with just
    enough slack close to the swivel to allow movement without stress on
    the cable or the coil connection. I will have to do the tapping test and
    check the results, it could be a bad coil because today during my
    hunt swinging the coil across the ground I bumped the coil on a small
    patch of grass, lightly and I received a nice coin icon with tone and I
    checked that patch nothing was there?

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    Well I set my detector up air balance and the screen displayed two icons
    a $ and dime without tapping on the coil and when I tapped on the side of
    the coil with my finger tips the same icons were displayed?
    Is this a coil problem?

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    Yep, that's a bad coil.
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    Well nuts!!!
    Thank you for your help Rodney.
    Now to see about getting this coil replaced, it is new, just got it
    for Christmas.

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    What luck sir. I hope you get it replaced soon. I know you have been having some pretty good weather to hunt in. Figures!!!
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    It figures, this coil was working great. Then the last couple of times I
    started having trouble with pinpointing, everything that I pinpointed
    in the center, I found in the front wall of the hole that I dug, I had to
    dig an additional 2" to get the target? I was spending a couple of minutes
    when pinpointing, not only NS EW I was checking all around the target
    area

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    If that's a new coil, return it to the dealer for an on-the-spot replacement, or return it to Whites. Not to worry, Whites will take care of you !!
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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    Yesterday while hunting the DFX displayed a good solid tone with a dime or
    quarter icon, I started pinpointing and the signal or target disappeared, I
    stopped pinpointing, stepped back, activated the trigger a couple of times
    and checked the spot again, detector did not indicate any metal or target??

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    High mineralization spot / rust / etc. Took the ground balance a bit to "catch up and track it out". If you want to see GB and AutoTrack in action, throw down a quarter and swing over it. Ensure you get a good hit. Now just "hover" over the target w/o activating PP by pulling the trigger. You'll see the quarter get "tracked out". Now if you enter PP mode, its still gone because S.A.T. and Tracking are locked in PP mode and the quarter signal is now part of the GB baseline. Move off the target, release the trigger and give the machine a few seconds to reestablish a threshold and track to the matrix. Now you can see the quarter again.

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    Last edited by deolslyfox; 01-08-2019 at 11:01 AM.
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    I hunted the same areas today that I hunted yesterday, but I used
    my 950 coil. I ran my air and ground balance in a spot that didn't
    have any metal in it or so I thought. I cleared the spot yesterday
    using the 6x10, I did the air ground balance and my detector responded
    with high sharp tones, I think that area is clear now, I dug up 3, 9mm
    casings, a couple rusty nails, a pull tab and a Lincoln. By the end of
    my hunt I had 4 pennies, one is a wheat and a collection of pull tabs,
    rusty nails, bolts, nuts, aluminum can pieces and the primer end of a
    shotgun shell.

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    That's great you are getting out to hunt. Here today there was a tornado 12 miles from me. It was 58F outside today and Thursday's high is going to be 23F. What crazy weather.
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    Good that you're out, and you're diggin' the right stuff, believe it or not.
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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    Rod: We're lookin' at a 20 degree drop in daytime temps overnight and down near freezing tomorrow night. It was 81 degrees here today .... Craziness !!
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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    The weather has been crazy around my neck of the woods also, it got
    up to 58 degrees and all was calm for the first 45minutes of my hunt
    the wind increased until it was blowing at about 45 mph. I worked
    with my back to the wind, I quit when it is to dark to see what I dig up,
    I am starting to catch on, whew my detector makes a noise that sounds
    like it is growling, I don't dig.
    The wind was a real challenge.
    Tomorrow the temperature is supposed to be in the 20's, wind chill will
    put it in the teens.... NUTS!!!! Guess I will be taking some time off from
    detecting? Maybe time to start my fruit wine?
    Last edited by KYrookie; 01-08-2019 at 06:57 PM.

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    Yes sir, you are doing a great job learning your machine. Just keep up the good work and practice practice practice. That's the key to learning to find the good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYrookie View Post
    The weather has been crazy around my neck of the woods also, it got
    up to 58 degrees and all was calm for the first 45minutes of my hunt
    the wind increased until it was blowing at about 45 mph. I worked
    with my back to the wind, I quit when it is to dark to see what I dig up,
    I am starting to catch on, whew my detector makes a noise that sounds
    like it is growling, I don't dig.
    The wind was a real challenge.
    Tomorrow the temperature is supposed to be in the 20's, wind chill will
    put it in the teens.... NUTS!!!! Guess I will be taking some time off from
    detecting? Maybe time to start my fruit wine?
    That "growling" (low tone) = LOW conductor = generally iron. Those high tones = HIGH conductors. Trouble with gold, especially small gold is that it VDIs around -6 to +8. Just keep at it. You're doin' good!!

    Tone ID: Lower the conductor, lower the tone. Higher the conductor, higher the tone.
    If there's anything I hate worse than diggin' pulltabs, its missin' a gold ring.

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